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On New Work-Life Strategies that Boost Resilience and Prioritize Well-Being During COVID and Beyond<\/h3>\n

By Marianne Schnall<\/a><\/h5>\n

Among the many dramatic and concerning ways the COVID-19 pandemic has transformed our society and systems, impacted our health and uprooted our lives, it has spawned a complicated set of unprecedented challenges for working parents and families. Parents are faced with a myriad of impossible choices as many schools remain fully or partially closed: how to return to work without childcare or, more often than not, as many businesses continue to work remotely, how to manage full-time work from home and take care of their children, which now often includes managing their child\u2019s remote learning as well. These burdens are disproportionately impacting working women, who have always been most typically the primary caregiver\u2014many of whom had already struggled pre-pandemic to juggle their work with family and household responsibilities\u2014creating an unparalleled crisis that is beginning to reveal many troubling impacts.<\/p>\n

As working from home becomes the new normal, studies are showing that working parents are increasingly feeling overwhelmed, confused and stressed. Reports are also now beginning to indicate that more and more\u00a0women are being forced to drop out of the workforce<\/a>\u00a0at an alarming rate. Since no one was prepared for these sudden and unique circumstances, and in the absence of any official leadership, support or guidelines for employers on how to navigate these unprecedented times to accommodate the challenges their employees are facing, leaders like Arianna Huffington, founder and CEO of Thrive Global, are stepping in to help provide guidance and solutions.<\/p>\n

In many ways, Huffington and Thrive Global were uniquely positioned for this moment, as the mission of\u00a0Thrive Global<\/a>\u00a0is \u201cto end the stress and burnout epidemic and unlock human potential.\u201d In 2007, Huffington\u2014cofounder and former editor-in-chief of The Huffington Post\u2014collapsed from complete exhaustion, burnout and sleep deprivation, causing her to hit her head on her desk and break her cheekbone\u2014and re-examine her life\u2019s priorities.<\/p>\n

The experience set Huffington on an evolving quest to transform how we think about our work and our lives. It led her to found Thrive Global in 2016, a \u201cbehavior change technology platform that helps individuals and organizations build resilience and drive productivity,\u201d which is now operating in 40+ countries globally with customers including Bank of America, Microsoft, Verizon and JP Morgan. She also authored several books on the topic, including\u00a0Thrive<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0The Sleep Revolution<\/em>. (You can read my previous interview with Huffington about the importance of sleep\u00a0here<\/a>, something many of us could no doubt use a little refresher on.)<\/p>\n

Supporting employee health and well-being and fostering an atmosphere that supports productivity by promoting employee resiliency and a healthy corporate culture was a priority for Thrive before the pandemic\u2014a mandate that has now become more needed and relevant than ever. To help meet this need, they recently launched Thriving Families, \u201ca work-life integration solution for a work-from-home reality,\u201d which offers new strategies to help us succeed in working and living together 24\/7, since \u201call aspects of our lives are converging in one place: the home.\u201d<\/p>\n

As Huffington points out, it is not just that these priorities will help employees better manage their work and home life and their various responsibilities, but it will help address what she calls the often overlooked \u201chuman element\u201d and foster mental resilience, which she feels will ultimately make workers more effective, creative and productive.<\/p>\n

I had the opportunity to speak to Huffington and get her perspective on the challenges working families are facing, the strategies Thrive is offering, her advice on self-care during COVID, how to proactively address the growing impact on women and her personal insight and guidance on how to best manage our lives and well-being during these stressful and uncertain times.<\/p>\n

Marianne Schnall:<\/strong>\u00a0You were ahead of the curve in terms of seeing the need to re-imagine our work culture, something we are now being forced to do because of the pandemic. How do you see COVID-19\u2019s impact, both immediate and long lasting, on changing the nature of how we work?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Arianna Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0What the pandemic did was accelerate trends that were already breaking down the old model of working. We were already being forced to change the way we work and live, and the pandemic just sped that future up. The old model was fueled by stress and burnout and being always \u201con.\u201d When work was moved into the home for so many, it became impossible to ignore our need to rebuild those boundaries around our work and our home lives. So the pandemic quickly created a critical mass for change that was already building. A central part of the \u201cnew normal\u201d will be a more human-focused way of working, one built around what actually makes us productive and what makes us thrive.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0What are the biggest challenges you see? And despite the challenges, are there any benefits or opportunities of how the pandemic is transforming how we work and live?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0We\u2019re now in a time in which three of our largest and most important institutions\u2014work, family and school\u2014are all occurring in one place. So the challenge, even for those not dealing with children and virtual school, is how to live and work in a sustainable way\u2014one in which we’re not stressed out of our minds all the time and consumed by all the demands on ourselves and the accelerating pace that technology sets for our lives.<\/p>\n

In this new normal of more distributed work, there are also challenges around how we can make the most of technology to connect with our colleagues and teams, while also\u00a0<\/strong>learning how we can disconnect from technology to connect with our families and with ourselves.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0Thrive\u2019s behavior change platform is in the hands of hundreds of thousands of employees across companies ranging from Walmart and Salesforce to Accenture and Bank of America. How are you working with these companies, and what has been the response?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0In all of these partnerships and across each of our customers, we\u2019re seeing an incredible need from employees for support beyond just the physical safety so many companies have rightly prioritized\u2014employees\u00a0<\/strong>also need support for their\u00a0<\/strong>psychological safety and\u00a0<\/strong>the\u00a0<\/strong>resilience necessary to be creative instead of reactive, or just trying to get through the day.<\/p>\n

Thriving Families is part of our larger Thrive platform that includes other experiences like Thriving Mind, Thriving Performance and more. We\u2019ve launched Thriving Mind\u2014a tool that we developed along with Stanford Medicine to help build mental resilience and support the mental health of employees\u2014with Accenture and Salesforce. Thriving Performance, our core well-being and resilience experience, has been deployed to 27,000 of the Bank of America\u2019s US employees to help them manage stress in this time of acute need. With Walmart, we\u2019ve launched a long-term strategic partnership that will bring the Thrive platform to 2.2 million Walmart associates, their families and their communities to help them make small, better choices\u00a0<\/strong>each day.<\/em><\/p>\n

The response has been amazing. The feedback and stories we\u2019re hearing inspire us every day. And we\u2019re seeing not only tremendous response, but real business impact.\u00a0<\/strong>Because, after all, a company is only as resilient as its employees.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0We are facing these unprecedented circumstances where many of us are now working from home, with no childcare, as well as having to oversee our kids\u2019 remote learning\u2014and much of this burden typically falls on women. I know you have been developing some really innovative tools as part of your work with Thrive. What strategies are you hoping to offer through these new programs you have developed like Thriving Families?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0The pandemic has been hard on everybody, but it\u2019s been particularly hard on women. In March and April, women suffered\u00a055% of the job losses<\/a>\u00a0but made up only 45% of the jobs that were added back in May. And women, who were already doing more of the work at home, had to carry an extra burden\u00a0<\/strong>when the pandemic hit, causing large numbers\u00a0<\/strong>to\u00a0opt out of the work force<\/a>. Of the women who became unemployed during the pandemic,\u00a0one out of four<\/a>\u00a0cited lack of childcare as the cause, which is double the percentage for men.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s exactly why we created Thriving Families. It\u2019s a comprehensive work-life integration tool\u00a0<\/strong>that includes a\u00a0<\/strong>multi-part video series, the latest science, inspiring\u00a0<\/strong>stories and a home organizational system, including workbooks, family communication guides and digital cards\u2014all delivered through the Thrive platform. The experience helps users shift their mindset so they\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>can prioritize their own well-being, set boundaries so they can be at their most productive, improve\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>communication both at home and at work, and learn a system to more fairly divide up tasks to make work-life integrations actually work. We also teach users how to sustain the positive behavior changes they\u2019re\u00a0<\/strong>inspired to take through Microsteps\u2014<\/strong>small, actionable steps that people can incorporate into their daily lives right away that create lasting habits.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0As you just mentioned,\u00a0 we are already hearing that many women are now being forced to leave their jobs to take care of children and manage their schooling. Are you concerned that more women will drop out of the workforce and we may lose the progress women were making toward parity and advancement in the workplace? And what can businesses and society do to make sure this is not the case?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0Women feeling like they have to opt out should be a concern for all businesses. Even before the pandemic, we knew that women were bearing a disproportionate share of the mental load of running a household. That\u2019s the effort, beyond just housework, of scheduling, dealing with school issues and problem solving. That undue burden of mental load takes a toll on women\u2019s well-being. And that\u2019s only increased since the pandemic. According to\u00a0a study from the Boston Consulting Group<\/a>, parents are spending 27 more hours a week on household tasks like childcare and remote schooling, but women are spending 15 more hours a week than men.<\/p>\n

This is why so many women are opting out, and this could take a serious long-term toll. In June,\u00a0a U.N. report<\/a>\u00a0on the pandemic\u2019s effect on women warned that \u201ceven the limited gains made in the past decades are at risk of being rolled back.\u201d<\/p>\n

This should concern every company\u2014it\u2019s hard to compete in today\u2019s world if you\u2019re not able to make use of the talents and creativity of the women in your workforce.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0People are dealing with so many different manifestations of stress on an individual and collective level. What advice do you have on self-care in the time of COVID?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0People are incredibly stressed. Everybody has more demands on them. But that\u2019s why it\u2019s all the more important to take care of ourselves\u2014so we\u2019ll be more effective and productive in everything else we\u2019re doing. It\u2019s like what they say on airplanes: secure your own oxygen mask first.<\/p>\n

In fact, we have created Microsteps specifically to help people navigate this new normal. The best place to start is with sleep, which is the underpinning of every other aspect of our well-being, including our ability to manage stress. My personal favorite is to escort my phone out of my bedroom before I get into bed. Our phones are repositories of all our projects and problems.\u00a0<\/strong>Disconnecting helps us sleep better and wake up recharged to meet the next day\u2019s challenges.<\/p>\n

Another favorite is to remember to find moments of gratitude and\u00a0<\/strong>joy, even\u2014and especially\u2014in times of stress. A great way to do that is through habit stacking, which is a proven and efficient way of building new habits by \u201cstacking\u201d a new behavior on top of an existing one. So, for instance, when we\u2019re washing our hands, we can think of three things we’re grateful for. It\u2019s an easy way to boost positivity\u2014and well-being\u2014without having to find any more time in your day.<\/p>\n

Schnall:<\/strong>\u00a0In your latest piece,\u00a0Why Adding a Human Layer Is the Key to the \u201cGreat Reset\u201d<\/a>\u00a0you say, \u201cto truly navigate the kind of constant change and disruption that will define our future, companies need to pay as much attention to the human element as they do to advanced technologies.\u201d You have also written about the need to build up our mental resilience. Can you talk a little bit about that? What is the human element and why is it important?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0The media is full of pieces about how companies are preparing for re-entry. And those plans tend to focus on\u00a0<\/strong>high-tech organizational strategies and efficiencies for distributed work or for sharing office space safely. The point of my piece was that to make the best use of all of this new and amazing technology and digital transformation companies are planning, they need to also put as much energy into the human factor.<\/p>\n

Most companies realize that qualities like focus, empathy, collaboration and inclusion are essential to win the future\u2014that was a big part of the business conversation even\u00a0<\/strong>before the pandemic. But people can\u2019t access those qualities when they\u2019re stressed or in perpetual fight-or-flight mode.<\/p>\n

So to increase their organizational resilience, companies need to nurture their employees\u2019 individual resilience. That means putting into place ways of working that allow people to operate from a place of strength, calm and empathy, which will boost their resilience. Without that human factor, even the most cutting-edge technologies won\u2019t be enough.<\/p>\n

Schnall:<\/strong>\u00a0I remember interviewing you about your books\u00a0Thrive<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0The Sleep Revolution<\/em>, and at that time you had already been talking and writing about work-life integration and the importance of sleep and unplugging pre-COVID. Now those challenges have only been exacerbated. What special advice do you have now for these times when many of us are having to work from our homes without that clear boundary of work-home life, and also being forced to spend so much time in front of our screens?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s a challenge, but when so much of our lives is taking place on screens\u2014which were already consuming too much of our lives\u2014it\u2019s all the more important to be deliberate about unplugging and recharging.<\/p>\n

One Microstep is to take five minutes to create a daily schedule. If you\u2019ve got others in your \u201chome office,\u201d put it up where everyone can see it. Another way to take a break from our screens, and the stress that can go with them, is to set a news cut-off time at the end of the day. Of course we want to be informed in a public health crisis, but setting limits to our media and screen time can help us have a recharging night\u2019s sleep and put the stressful news into perspective.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s also important to pick a time to declare an end to the day, even if you haven\u2019t completed everything. This was easier when stopping work meant leaving work, but it\u2019s even more important when working from home. Truly prioritizing means being comfortable with incompletions. When you declare an end to the day, you\u2019ll be more present for your loved ones at home, you\u2019ll have time to connect with yourself, and you\u2019ll be better able to get the sleep you need to tackle the challenges of the next day.<\/p>\n

Schnall:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you have any special advice for women who already were feeling like they were unable to juggle their work and family responsibilities before COVID amid this myth of \u201chaving it all?\u201d What would you want to say to women who, now more than ever, may be feeling overwhelmed or unable to do everything perfectly?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:\u00a0<\/strong>First, they need to get rid of the idea that they can \u201cdo it all\u201d or \u201chave it all,\u201d and especially that they have to do everything perfectly. That simply sets us up to be susceptible to what I call the obnoxious roommate that lives in our heads, that voice of self-doubt and self-judgment.<\/p>\n

The times when that voice comes out the most is when we\u2019re depleted and exhausted and running on empty. That\u2019s why it\u2019s especially important that women prioritize their own well-being and not feel guilty about it. It\u2019s not selfish\u2014to the contrary, it\u2019s the best way to be at our best for all of our other responsibilities.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0You have always been one step ahead of the times, founding\u00a0Huffington Post<\/em>\u00a0and Thrive. What inspiration or guidance would you offer to young women who may have a big vision about having the courage to put themselves out there and follow their instincts and goals and take risks? I know you have two daughters, and I do, too\u2014what guidance would you want to offer young women today as they consider their life choices and career path?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0I would give two pieces of advice, which were two of my mother\u2019s favorite pieces of advice to me. The first is that failure isn\u2019t the opposite of success, but a stepping stone to success. And second, that fearlessness is not the absence of fear, but the mastery of fear. So don’t be afraid to take risks and fail along the way!<\/p>\n

Also, don’t buy into the myth that you have to burn out in order to succeed. Women pay a higher price for our culture of stress and burnout, and buying into it will ultimately just make it harder to succeed.<\/p>\n

Schnall:\u00a0You are so passionate and relentless in your longtime commitment to helping people find fulfillment and well-being in their work and their lives. What drives you to continue to do the work that you do?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Huffington:<\/strong>\u00a0There\u2019s such a real hunger for change and to bring the way we live and work into alignment with what truly makes us thrive. That\u2019s always been my passion, and it\u2019s constantly inspiring for me to see people go from awareness to action and make those changes in their lives.<\/p>\n

For more information, you can read Arianna\u2019s latest writings<\/em>\u00a0here<\/em><\/a>, sign up for her monthly newsletter<\/em>\u00a0here<\/em><\/a>\u00a0or visit Thrive Global at<\/em>\u00a0thriveglobal.com<\/em><\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

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This interview originally appeared at ForbesWomen.<\/a><\/p>\n

\"\"This story was produced in partnership with the\u00a0International Women\u2019s Media Foundation<\/a>.<\/p>\n

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Visit\u00a0COVID Gendered<\/a>\u00a0for more articles, information and resources.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Marianne Schnall<\/a>\u00a0is a widely-published interviewer and journalist and author of\u00a0What Will It Take to Make a Woman President?<\/em><\/a>,\u00a0Leading the Way<\/em><\/a>, and\u00a0Dare to Be You<\/em><\/a>. She is also the founder of\u00a0Feminist.com<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0What Will It Take Movements<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/span>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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